No pet peeves here, BTF; I prefer substance over form.
I would question Yeager's stated reason for shifting from BNSF to UP. Most analysts have said the shift was because UP continues to provide equipment to IMCs like Hub Group, while BNSF has taken the position that it is not in the equipment business and Hub and others can obtain their own equipment through leases, etc. I did get a chuckle out of Yeager's proclaiming that UP is equal to BNSF on service levels between LA and Chicago. Is that why UPS, which had shifted its business in that lane from BNSF to UP was asked by UP to help clean up its railroad by taking its trailers off? BNSF is only about 40 miles shy of being double-tracked over the entire route. UP is a very long way from being service competitive on it.
Back: Can you provide a link to this instead? (I'm thinking in terms of "fair use" and copyright issues.)
Bill - I tried going to CI website to pull the article and post the link but I'm not a subscriber so couldn't wiggle into the August issue link.
LK - Even though not a big market like LA/Chicago out of Northern CA, the UP is about done notching the tunnels over Donner. I know you know that the route has Premium Intermodal for TOFC and single stack COFC currently. I would think any Chicago bound stack train they can run double is a much shorter run to the East via Donner v down and around Bakersfield and the Tehachapi's.
I agree on the Yeager comments and yours. If I tell myself over and over that I can beat Tiger Woods in a match play event I'll begin to believe it although everyone else might be laughing. It worked for Bill Clinton until the truth came out..."I did NOT have......relations with that girl." Hub will go back just like UPS did.
I believe UP traffic over Donner Pass is coming out of Oakland. LA/LB traffic is using the former SP Sunset Route to near El Paso, then moving up the Golden State route that SP got when the Rock Island went away. Not a bad route,although UP had to install power switches, welded rail and other improvements after the UP/SP transaction. The Sunset is being double-tracked and needs to be, but I'm not aware of any imminent plan to double-track the Golden West, and until UP does that it really isn't competitive with BNSF between LA/LB and Chicago. I can recall a senior SP executive saying one day that the only way it or UP ever could compete with Santa Fe's Transcon would be to run over it.
Good luck beating Tiger, although I'm not so sure Hub will go back. It made the move to UP because it made economic sense for it. Better for Hub to use UP leased equipment than to pay for its own. As long as it makes sense for Hub and the service isn't too bad in comparison to that on BNSF, Hub will stick with Uncle Pete.
Premium over Donner is out of Lathrop...where the Hub Group biz went.
Good call on the UP and availability of leased equipment. I like that BNSF went away from it with concept that they are a railroad and not equipment provider. Plus the cost. Some say potato...some say pototo
But i"m sure with the tunnels having clearance that the Oakland traffic that is stacked would go over Donner. Think UP Oakland may also be doing domestic there due to increased biz at Lathrop putting it near capacity.
BTF: Some day, this recession is going to over. And when that day comes, I believe you will be right and I will be right that the rail world will be different than it was as recently as the start of the recession. Domestic intermodal will be the next big growth market for railroads. Truckers will be both competitors and a marketing channel for railroads. And, if we live long enough, we'll probably still be haranguing the Department of Transportation to develop and promulgate a national freight transportation policy if not a broader national transportation policy.
Only thing I take issue with is that container service can't be competitive with trailers. Not so. There is nothing (except economics) inherent in either trailers or containers when it comes to service. As to UPS, they bought several thousand 27' containers for use on rail but could not get Santa Fe to ok their use in Chicago. So they now operate as trailers.
I think the customers (us in some cases) are quite savvy in how they spend their money and what level of service matches their needs and the service offerings from the railroads.
If I need a package in 3-5 days I drop it off at UPS/FedEx etc. If I need a pallet of something I drop it off at ABF/Yellow/Roadway. If I need 15 pallets of something I call Hunt, Swift, Hub, Schneider to bring a 53' to my DC.
If I need the 15 pallets quickly, bring me a few LTL pups and I'll pay the extra. If it's plant shutdown, big bucks and call the overnight guys.
The shippers know their customers (beneficial owner) and work with the railroads to meet those needs. Then it's up to the railroad to meet the shippers needs (ultimately the bene owner). And the cycle continues.
I know this is just a tip of the iceberg.
I wonder though with the advent of some of the domestic shippers break bulking the international containers at/near the ports if that will continue.
And if it does is it because it is cheaper for the SSL's (it doesn't seem like it would be) or is it that the SSL's see that Domestic traffic gets priority loading/running and that more expeditious handling is the reason.
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Increasing freight rail capacity will be crucial to meet the scrap metal demands of booming CHINA. In the Detroit region there are hundreds of colossal but now abandoned machine tool shops, metal fabrication facilities, auto assembly plants, abandoned schools, malls, suburban office and industrial parks etc. which, if assembled together would make up several million CUBIC YARDS/ TONS of SCRAP METAL - hundreds of thousands of gondola cars for the railroads to haul to the Pacific ports bound for China. Add cities like Flint, Toronto, Hamilton, Toledo, Cleveland, Akron, Columbus, Cincinnati, Chicago, Gary, Kansas City, Denver, St Louis, Muncie, Pittsburg, Erie, Albany, NYC, Atlanta, and hundreds of others....these cities will generate a scrap stream of historical dimensions, thus giving US & Canadian railroads a great big boost of business.
Does anyone know if there is a cure for China paranoia? RAILLWAYIST seems to have a terminal case of the dread mahogus.
Interesting points, all, BacktotheFuture. Your set of priorities and carrier selection is a handy-dandy reference. It perhaps is a subject for another blog, but what about the shippers who have no loyalty whatsoever for any carrier and buy service strictly on the basis of price? A recent analyst note told of a shipper who was shifting his freight (forest products) from rail to highway because the spread between the modes was down to less than 20%. They guy also cited wash-outs and other service problems with railroads, but obviously never has heard of a truck being caught in traffic congestion or involved in an accident or being forced to stop because the driver ran out of HOS time. The shipper then added that as soon as his truckers begin raising their rates, he'd rush to switch his traffic back to the railroad. This is the kind of shipper who will refuse to understand why the railroad won't want to make an investment in cars just to serve his needs. Guys like that shipper will be furious when the railroad quotes rates that may even seem as though they were intended to help him keep his traffic on the highway. Good customer/carrier relations involve both sides trying to come up with price/service packages that servie both parties needs.
Especially in times like these $ talks. I'm sure people are calling 3-4 truckers to get rates and cheapest wins...probably in light of service. Service no though is at record high levels.
Many interesting dynamics going on right now.
I'm sure it will stay out of whack for several years as the economy makes its slow recovery.